some GLD for the conspiracy lunatics

Grin

Wow…..If thats a Fractal….its pretty scary….really really Rhymes so far….yikes

Leeb – Fed Game Changer Sparks 2nd Leg of Gold & Silver Bulls

 

With gold and silver making huge moves after the Fed announcement yesterday, today King World News interviewed acclaimed money manager Stephen Leeb, Chairman & Chief Investment Officer of Leeb Capital Management.  Leeb told us yesterday’s Fed announcement is a game changer that has kicked off a huge second leg in the gold and silver bull markets. 

Here is what Leeb had to say:  “I think what the Fed said yesterday is game-changing.  They are opting for inflation and what really strikes me here, Eric, is they described their dual mandate in terms of employment first and price stability second.  I don’t know any central bank that would put maximum employment in front of price stability.  That’s not the mission of a central bank.  Again, I think this is absolutely a game-changer.”

Stephen Leeb continues:

 “Inflation will be let out of the bag, maybe for the next three to four years.  In this environment gold and silver are the best investments around.  Resistance points on charts don’t even count anymore when you are talking about a game-changing event like this.  We are really talking about the next leg higher in this bull market.  I think yesterday will go down as the beginning of the next major leg higher in the bull market.  This is the leg I expect to take gold to $3,000 before the end of 2012. 

This is a very big change.  Just step back for a moment, the Fed is keeping interest rates at zero until the end of 2014.  That’s almost three years.  This is as aggressive as it gets and as bullish as it gets for gold.  When you are looking at resistance points, that was pre-yesterday. 

Today is a new chapter that starts with the title ‘Inflation is out of the bag.’  So the question becomes where does that take gold?…. 

“Well, look at the 1970s bull in gold.  After inflation really started to assert itself, gold went up another eight fold.

I think this is a critical point, the move we’ve had in gold, over the past decade, has been in anticipation of inflation.  We really haven’t seen gold react yet because inflation is still tame.  We’ve had eleven years of a first leg in gold.  Now we get the second leg and I say hold on to your hats because ultimately you are going to put another digit on the gold price.

This is more compelling than the 70s.  Keep in mind, during the 70s when real rates were decidedly negative for a long period of time gold went up eight fold.  Today that kind of advance would take us well over $10,000.  I maintain what we’ve seen so far is just preparation for what we are going to witness over the next five or six years as inflation ramps.  And once inflation starts to take off it will be very hard to stop.

Remember, China wants to eventually back the yuan with gold.  This is why they have been accumulating massive amounts of gold.  I predict in two or three years you will see oil priced in yuan or some basket in which the yuan is the central currency.  When the yuan becomes the world’s reserve currency they will control the game.

Eric Sprott’s point about the Chinese accumulating gold through Hong Kong is dead on, but China has also been mining a lot of gold.  They have been mining every single ounce possible.  They are in an incredible hurry to accumulate as much gold as they possibly can.

This is all part of the long-term strategy by the Chinese and it doesn’t play to our advantage.  My advice to everyone right now is, yes, gold is going to be volatile, but probably much less volatile, on the downside, than anything else out there and you should definitely own it.  You should also own silver because it’s definitely going into three digit territory.”

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2012/1/26_Leeb_-_Fed_Game_Changer_Sparks_2nd_Leg_of_Gold_%26_Silver_Bulls.html

grin @ 18:28 pm

I know you never worry – you have a great bunker!  :-)

What me worry?

Thanks Ipso, Irish et al.

I should of course mention that the banks in Portugal are under instructions from Europe and the government to strengthen their reserves, and this is compounded by the austerity package that we are suffering under.

We have the licences and the €2M EU loan, but the banks still have a moratorium on lending. We are dependent on the EU and the Portuguese government releasing the banks, or instructing them to lend the final €1M that we need spread over 2 years.

We must start construction work in February or the EU loan agreement lapses. So if they don’t lift the moratorium by the end of February, we will have to start the process all over again.

That’s the reality. Here in Europe we are at the mercy of the bankers as they reign in the liquidity.

Regards, Rich (I rolled the dice, now it’s fingers, toes and legs crossed).

Portugeezer @ 15:42 pm

Those are quite the projects you have planned. It’s going to be a first class hotel when you finish. Good luck with it!

ipso

Slowest Time of the week at the tent…Saturday Nite Poll !

Vote Vote Vote

(warning we have a new pollmaster and he aint taking no multiple vote crap neither)

PS….but its ok if you are dead….you can still vote

Portugeezer

Great job my friend….If some of the info I am getting is correct you are on to something….
Sinbad would be very helpful in the design of the building for the handicapped issues…

A guy named Moolman has an interesting Take

Interesting points on the Euro

I’m just hoping that we are entering a new phase where gold is a beast that takes on a life of its’ own.

You’d think that the Euro would get stronger without Greece, but like Portugeezer said, the German and French banks would take a huge hit. Hard to know if our markets, or any markets for that matter, are pricing in a Greek default. The U.S. market seems like it might be ready for a pause, so maybe a Greek deal is a “sell the news” event?

This latest hit on the USD has been fast and furious. Sinclair did say the top on the dollar would be 82. He called that perfectly.

Terrifying – you’re not wrong!

I am doing things here that make Irish in Belize look like he’s in clover.
If you have a few minutes, have a scan at this site and click on the Risk Assessment.
This was done two years ago, so we can begin to judge my sanity.
Somebody said today that this was the time to be in big debt because inflation will take care of it.
That was my bet – and I’ve put my money where my mouth is.

www.fontebispo.com/

Regards, Rich

Portugeezer

Whichever way it plays out it’s not going to be boring … terrifying for some maybe but not boring.

Cheers

ipso facto 12:59 but but but

wj

monsantos-gmo-corn-linked to organ failure in rats..

Ipso

You say “Seems to be a consensus that a Greek meltdown will hammer the euro, spike the dollar and smash gold. Is this really what’s going to happen?”

Greece would probabaly leave the Euro mechanism, hence: What happens when you throw ballast out of a hot air ballon – clue – the ballon doesn’t fall out of the sky.

Where will the damage be done? Wherever the ballast drops and the fallout spreads.
In this case the French and German banks will take the hit, but the derivative counterparties, the insurance companies, probably UK and NY based will be knocked out.

Unless the French and German banks take a haircut, voluntarily of course! Then the derivatives don’t kick-in and the banks go down. OK, back where we started from.
Another WAG, regards, Rich

floridagold … Wanka

The one thing I do know is that with the US and the Europeans printing money like there’s no tomorrow that holding PMs and PM shares is the best place to be.

The idea that the value relationship between one rapidly inflating fiat currency and another rapidly inflating fiat currency determines the value of real money, gold and silver is really bonkers. Gold and silver should be steadily going up in price against both of them … but then again in the short term, markets run according to what people THINK is going to happen … and everyone is a bit brainwashed.

Wanka … You are the craziest one here! :mrgreen:

Fully, I remember. Excellent times at the INN

Just catching up. The EDR never found it into my bunch but FR, wowser. Wish I had more. And good old ECU: still have what was left as Golden Minerals so you can see buy and hold is in my genes. There was a time when the value of ECU alone (bought at pennies and held up to $ 3.40 and then back down again) was over twice as much as everything I have left combined today. Duh. When do you sell? Never, I guess. Was losing hope that we would ever see that mania again that existed in 2002-2004 when everything seem to go straight up. I remember when my ECU went up on paper in ONE DAY by $ 70K. Didn’t sell a share then. Dummy.

E coming.

ipso facto and RNO -11:17- i’ll witness that too………..

wj

ipso_facto @ 12:30 pm

Just no way to know what will happen.  Let’s say that Greece has reached an agreement with private bond holders – no default of course because it was voluntary with the gun against the temple – they are still going toes up.  Just may be a few more months.   Has the markets already priced a Greece default into the price – so, when this deal is really finalized and the can kicked down the road – does the markets go straight up and everyone sells Gold because the big trouble is over.   Is UP really Down?  I am so confused!  :-)

redneckokie1 … Floridagold … Buygold1

As long as you’re not institutionalized … it all good!

Seems to be a consensus that a Greek meltdown will hammer the euro, spike the dollar and smash gold. Is this really what’s going to happen? For sure the Fed will be conjuring up and sending to the various European banks multiple $billions in order to keep them functioning. Will there be a general recognition of the transitory nature of paper money? Stay tuned.

Private creditors: Deal with Greece close

2 minutes ago

By DEMETRIS NELLAS
Associated Press

(AP:ATHENS, Greece) Greece and its private creditors are very close to a deal that will significantly reduce the country’s debt and give it more time to repay the rest of what it owes.

After three hours of talks with Prime Minister Lucas Papademos and Finance Minister Evangelos Venizelos on Saturday, creditor representatives Charles Dallara and Jean Lemierre issued a statement saying the two sides were “close to the finalization of a voluntary (private sector involvement) … We expect to conclude next week as discussions on other issues move forward.”

The statement also referred to “the framework expressed publicly earlier this week by Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker in his capacity as Chairman of the Eurogroup.”

The reference suggested the creditors had agreed with Juncker’s proposal that the new bonds to be issued by Greece in place of the old ones should have an interest rate “clearly below 4 percent.” The rate had been the main sticking point in the two-week-long talks as creditors had demanded a higher one.

Dallara, managing director of the Institute of International Finance (IIF) and Lemierre, senior adviser to the chairman, Banque BNP Paribas, represented banks, insurance companies and other private holders of some euro206 billion ($270 billion) in Greek bonds.

While the details are not yet final, it is expected these bondholders will accept a 50 percent writedown in the value of their bondholdings, meaning Greece’s debt will be reduced by just over euro100 billion. The maturities in the new bonds will also be longer.

An agreement with private creditors is also seen as a prerequisite for Greece to get a second, euro130 billion bailout from its EU partners and the International Monetary Fund, although there are other issues involved before Greece can get that aid.

The EU and the IMF have already signed off on a euro110 billion aid package, in May 2010, most of which has already been disbursed.

Dallara and Lemierre will leave Greece on Sunday and “will remain in close consultation with Greek and other authorities,” the creditors’ statement said.

ipso 11:17

you would have to stand in a very long line to testify.

rno

redneckokie1 @ 0:46 am

If you ever need witnesses for your insanity defense … I’m your man. :mrgreen:

floridagold

Best guess is if things have truly changed, we will rally even in the face of a Greek meltdown. Otherwise you’re right we’ll get smacked on a Euro masscre. Who knows?

Buygold1 @ 9:34 am

All of those are possible! 

Since the FED meeting,  Gold/Silver performance appears to be tied to the $USD.  Dollar down hard and PM’s (commidities) UP hard.   How long will that last?  I don’t know.   The FED appears to want the dollar lower and they are willing to print until hell freezes over, so……  Maybe it lasts until Greece finally blows up – when will that happen?  Whenever it does, I think we get a rush out of the Euro and back into the dollar and I don’t expect that to be good for us when that happens.  So,  we ride higher and take the $$$$.  10day ema has crossed higher above the 20day ema.  20 day is about to crossed higher over the 50day (has not happened yet but close).  When the 20 day does cross higher that should kick more of the computers over to the BUY side.  WAG?

I was really happy to see the pm shares do so well Friday with the SM down, that has not happened in a while.  Something has changed, at least for Friday, now if we can get that going all the time where the pm shares react to the physical price of Gold and Silver instead of following the SM, Euro, etc.   Are the hedge funds unwinding the buy gold and sell pm shares hedge?  If they are, that explains the strength in the shares as they cover.

Sorry, just rambling – time will tell!

COT Report

Looks particularly good for silver. A toss up in gold? Course this was as of last Tuesday

cftc.gov/dea/futures/deacmxlf.htm

So floridagold

In all my T/A wisdom I’m looking at charts of GLD, GDX, HUI, SLV

GLD looks to me like it could to 170 or maybe even as high as 175 (which would put the RSI well above 70)

GDX to 60 – 62 before a pause

HUI to 560 at least and maybe 570 – 580

SLV to 34

Do you concur?

Euro Officials Discuss Greek Budget Veto Powers

Greece now requires 145 billion euros ($192 billion) as part of its second aid package, 15 billion euros more than was agreed in October,  Der Spiegel reported today, citing an unidentified official from the troika in Greece.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-28/euro-officials-said-to-discuss-veto-powers-over-greek-budget.html

such a deal

homeowner assistance program is expanded

By BLOOMBERG NEWS
12:01 a.m., Jan. 28, 2012

The Obama administration, seeking to help more homeowners lower their interest rates and shed mortgage debt, will relax the rules on a federal loan-modification program and triple its incentives to banks.

The revised Home Affordable Modification Program, or HAMP, also would pay Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to forgive debt on homes that have lost value. The government-owned companies, citing cost, don’t reduce principal, a policy that has limited HAMP’s reach because they own or guarantee nearly half of U.S. home loans. About 900,000 borrowers have successfully used the lifeline to refinance, fewer than the 4 million borrowers HAMP — which pays mortgage servicers and investors for successfully modifying loans — was expected to reach.

Friday’s program changes are separate from a new refinancing plan that President Barack Obama promised to deliver in his State of the Union speech Tuesday.

Whether Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac accept the administration offer is up to Edward DeMarco, acting director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which is charged with minimizing losses to the companies and to taxpayers. DeMarco said he would analyze the potential costs and benefits of participating in HAMP’s principal write-down effort.

The HAMP expansion, called HAMP Tier 2, triples incentives paid to banks that reduce mortgage principal, to a maximum of 63 cents for every dollar of debt forgiven. Investors who rent out their properties would be eligible to refinance under the new rules. The deadline for applying for a HAMP loan modification is extended for a year, to the end of 2013.

Morning FLG

Yeah that video was a good one to wake up to on a Sat. a.m.

Buygold1 @ 8:54 am

But-But-But,  the Iranians wouldn’t do that would they?

The Monty Python video below really explains how it works in Europe – funny stuff – or at least it hit my funny bone this morning!  :-)

This ought to help Europe’s ailing economy LOL

Iran Turns Embargo Tables: To Pass Law Halting All Crude Exports To Europe
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/27/2012 11:54 -0500

In what is likely a long overdue move, Iran has finally decided to give Europe a harsh lesson in game theory. Instead of letting Euro-area politicians score brownie points at its expense by threatening to halt imports and cut off the Iranian economy, the Iranian government will instead propose a bill calling for an immediate halt to oil deliveries to Europe. The move, with most reports citing the Iranian news agency Mehr, has come about in response to the EU agreement to impose sanctions against Iran, which were announced earlier this week. And why not? After all if Europe is indeed serious, sooner or later Iran will be cut off but in the meantime experience significant policy uncertainty, which is precisely what the flipflops on the ground need. The one thing that Europe, however is forgetting, is that all that whopping 0.8 Mb/d in imports will simply find a new buyer.Quickly.

So with China, India and Russia already having bilateral agreements with Iran in place, we are confident that said buyer will have a contract signed, sealed and delivered within an hour of the proposed bill’s passage. Furthermore, as SocGen speculated, the fact that Europe will be even more bottlenecked in its crude supplies (good luck Saudi Arabia with that imaginary excess capacity), and which just may force the IEA to release some more of that strategic petroleum reserve (and thus give JPM some more free money on the replenishment arbitrage) will send Brent to $125-150 – something which Iran will be delighted by. That is of course unless some “experts” discover that Iran may or may not have a complete arsenal of shark with fricking nuclear warheads attached to their heads (despite what Paneta has already said) which gives the US the green light for a full blown incursion, which in turn will send oil over $200, and the world economy into a global coordinated re-depression.

From Spiegel:

“If this bill is passed, the government will be forced to stop selling oil to Europe before the actual implementation of their sanctions,” said Emad Hosseini, spokesman for the Iranian parliament’s energy commission, reportedly said. The bill is set to become law on Sunday.

The EU sanctions allow for oil deliveries from Iran until July 1. Any pre-empting of this timescale by Tehran could prove problematic for countries like Italy, Greece and Spain, who would need to urgently find new suppliers.

China, meanwhile, a major importer of Iranian oil, has also criticized the EU sanctions. The Xinhua news agency quoted the Chinese Foreign Ministry on Thursday as saying: “To blindly pressure and impose sanctions on Iran are not constructive approaches.”

Many members of the EU are now heavily dependent on Iranian oil. Some 500,000 barrels arrive in Europe every day from Iran, with southern European countries consuming most of it. Greece is the most exposed, receiving a third of all its oil imports from Iran, but Italy too depends on Iran for 13 percent of its oil needs. If this source were to dry up abruptly, the economic conditions in the two struggling countries could become even worse.

Already on Wednesday, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) warned of the economic consequences of the EU’s planned embargo. Stopping deliveries from the world’s fifth largest producer could drive up the price of oil by 20 to 30 percent.

Perhaps instead of doing its best at crippling the world energy markets, and crushing the global economy, Europe should stick to bailing itself out, and other activities in which it has extensive experience.

Lagarde says some must spend there way out of debt

Eurozone Requires Clear, Simple Firewall, Says IMF Chief

14 minutes ago

(RTTNews) – The euro zone members should develop a clear and simple firewall to create confidence in the region, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde said Saturday.

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, she said there is work under way. “There is progress as we see it,” Lagarde added. No one is immune in the current situation.

She cautioned that spending cuts could dampen economic growth.  Some countries have to go full-speed ahead to do this fiscal consolidation,  but other countries have space and room, she noted.

Today, she reiterated her call for more resources for the IMF.    U.K. Chancellor George Osborne also said there was a case for boosting IMF resources. Osborne warned about the possibilities of Greece destabilizing the rest of the region.

ozibatla

Don’t work? !! Tell that to my itchy legs, covered in fibreglass dust. Or to my hands so coated in resin I can barely flex my fingers to type this message. Or to that achy old back……
Ha! Don’t work, I never heard such drivel! And to think that I could have been a government worker.

gmo’s causing supper weed..heard this on coast to coast last night…truth or fiction ???

Coffee is on

Ferret is not so smart

Two Aussies, Ferret & Knackers, were adrift in a life boat..

While rummaging through the boat’s provisions, Ferret stumbled across an old lamp.

He rubbed it vigorously and sure enough out popped a genie ..

This genie, however was a little different. He stated he could only deliver one wish, not the standard three.

Without giving much thought, Ferret blurted out,

“Turn the entire ocean into beer. Make that Victoria Bitter!”

The genie clapped his hands with a deafening crash, and immediately the sea turned

Into that hard-earned thirst quencher. The genie vanished.

Only the gentle lapping of beer on the hull broke the stillness as the two men considered their circumstances.

Knackers looked disgustedly at Ferret whose wish it was had been granted.

After a long, tension-filled moment Knackers said, “Nice going!

Now we’re going to have to pee in the boat.”

Redneckokie & Greensea

With you bro.
I’m surrounded by voters who don’t work.
LP, Ferret, SilverSpike, Ingot, Margaret, even the Lifeboats. How can you work while sailing all over the world on a boat?
They are VERY FORTUNATE to have producing people to pay their share.

puptent @ 23:20 re: GERMANY vs. GREECE

ZH is always packed with info, ‘interesting’  views and off-the-wall comedy.  Thanks for posting the latest link (actual topic is here).  This is one of the funny things found in the comments at that link, on the subject of Germany’s move on Greece:

*GB